Don't Expect to See Neil Degrasse Tyson at Your Meeting
The word Atheist exsists because people of religion are so fanatical about their belief, so people who don't believe need a form to express their non belief. I've never heard of a golfer being so fanatical that he pushes golf on non players, telling them that if they don't play golf they will end up in fiery damnation.
Mostly because religion or faith affects their lives so much that they need an outlet. If the PGA had so much influence in the world that it held sway over billions of people, caused wars and genocide, and created numerous types of golf that incited violence over which one was correct, I'm quite sure there would be a name for non-golf players.
And who would those be? The victims of Catholic oppression from the medieval era? The lost souls of the crusades? All victims of religious extremism. I said that religious extremism is in no way acceptable, and neither is angry atheism. the mainstream Christian in today's world is not an extremist Catholic bent on purging the holy land, they just believe ridiculous things. The world has changed. An atheist should not be hateful because of what has happened in the past, for that is ignorance at it's finest. If one is to be an atheist, hating theists is a ridiculous waste of time. religious extremists do exist, but hating and mocking an entire people because of a rotten bunch is simply unacceptable.
I didn't say anyone hated theists. Just the organisations they've built to do harm to man. And i'm sorry, when your institution is based on separation, it is not a group, it is the whole.
save the energy it would take to type how religion preaches acceptance and brotherhood, the current and past history teaches us otherwise.
Religion is extremism. just because the religions that exist within democracies that are governed by law refrain from murder in the streets now a days doesn't change the fact that the bible and the Quran clearly say kill everyone who disagrees.
Tony is right. The corrupt CATHOLIC CHURCH murdered millions, not the religion it's self. It's all about how one interprets it. The Southern Baptists, for example, take the bible, which is written metaphorically and in poetic phrase, literally, which leads to ignorance. The Bible gives examples of violence, but in contrast to the Qur'an, it preaches that we are to tolerate other ideas, not to do what the Baptists and Catholics did. Hate the corruption, not the religion.
But I have heard of atheists being so fanatical about it, that they push it on Christians and criticize them over and over for their beliefs, then turn around and shout "because Christians do it to 'us.'! 'We' have been oppressed for centuries!" Also, atheists call themselves atheists. Face it, atheism IS a religion.
y r people so drawn around religion? they r all faith driven seriously watch the movie zeitgeist the 2008 version or the 2011 version if that doesn't chang your mind about anything I don't kno wat will.
Atheism : the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
Atheism, like theism, is a belief. It takes faith either way. It is a religion.
1.a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
If a religion is the belief in a supernatural power or creator, and you do not believe in a supernatural power or creator, how can you be said to have a religion?
1. A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
2. A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
3. A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
4. Archaic Something taught; a teaching.
A doctrine, as it pertains to religion is a set of shared ideals. There is a god, we must please him, here's this book to tell us how.
There is no such shared ideals among atheists or agnostics. There is no mandatory organization of the ideals that don't exist. Every Christian has the same idea, every Atheist has a different hypothesis.
How deep do you want to go in this?
The point is, either belief is, well, a belief, and that requires faith. I'm not sure why you wish to argue in circles on something that is so obvious and blatant. You know, you really make atheists look bad.
A-the-ist those who define what they believe in; "themselves". not that hard people. because the thought of Atheism is so wide and varied; atheist should just call it their "opinion". even if what you say defines you; even disbelief. I just think atheists don't want to be defined cause it puts them in a group; a very disorganized group. they would have to look at themselves and see why they think there is no god collectively.
I never said it was not a belief. You were arguing that it is a religion. I told you how stupid that argument is. If we are arguing in a circle, it's because you are going backwards.
What makes christians look bad is they subconsciously know their faith is flawed, so they feel the need to project that flaw on everyone else. I find it quite amusing to see how a good christian will think like an atheist when confronted with any other point of view, and recede back to mindless acceptance when the factually inaccurate and flawed reasoning of their own faith is presented to comfort them.
You should take some of your objectivity when looking at other's world views, and apply it to your own.
That is the basis for self improvement.
Jonathan Anderson There's the organized mentality again. The need to identify yourself with a mob because it's safer.
I can't speak for all atheists Obviously, but for me there is no collectivism. There is what makes sense, and what does not. After that you are then free to choose how you define yourself, and what group you fit into, without the constraints of religion guiding your ordeal.
Again, every christian has the same idea, every Atheist has a different hypothesis. There is no default collectivism in Atheism, in Christianity, you have to fit into one of the prescribed sects.
Some, like Dr. Tyson, go after it from a scientific point of view, and therefor identify themselves with science minded people. If you want to say they have a religion, then their religion is science, not Atheism. They spend their lives trying to identify themselves by what they and their peers discover and know of the working universe, not by their disbelief in a god.
Some, like Stalin and Pol Pot, go after it from a power point of view. Their religion is much like your own, the business of controlling man. Only without a god figure to look up to, they place themselves at the top of the hierarchy. Again, what ever you think of their motives, it cannot be said to be a lack of belief in god, their religion is the government they've built around themselves. And again, has nothing to do with your own belief structure, so you can't say it's governed by the same mechanisms. Well, you can, but you'd be wrong.
Most in an organized religion identify themselves by that faith, and thus find it almost impossible to accept someone could possibly look at themselves without that faith coming into play. I assure you however, we can.
I'm well aware of the of how the English language works and to state individually per person and ending with "we can" still denotes more than one. One may not wish to be defined but ends up defining his or her selves to find those of like mind thus "we can" is an absolute that can not be undone. further more a religion can also be made of ideology so even if its a mind set in our world it only exists to be defined as a group. I think in more of a programming sense; just because a program has separate modules for the Executable. They still define the programs parameters. Even if they all do something completely different. Ergo even if not every atheist is the different they still walk the same path.
I think the word atheist exists because people radically, irrationally, and irrelevantly believe in the non-existence of God. As if ancient aliens were any more probable than an extra-dimensional being...